• If and When: Marlins Ballpark will be at the Orange Bowl Site and will Open in 2011

  • Wincraft Florida Marlins Round ClockThe clock is now ticking as it looks like the Marlins have pretty much finalized the location and opening date for the new ballpark.

    MLB President Bob DuPuy has confirmed that the new ballpark will be at the Orange Bowl site and will open by 2011… if all the deals get done. Considering the momentum and the expiring stadium lease, it is likely that this is the last and only path for the Marlins.

    On the timing:

    The clock is ticking, DuPuy said, on the team’s chances of moving into a new stadium by 2011.

    “That’s one of the reasons for the urgency,” he said. “We’re very tight. But our goal is to still open in 2011 or things get more expensive and the losses continue to pile up [for Marlins ownership]. The architects and the club have been looking at what can be done to expedite construction so we can still get open in 2011.”

    On location:

    DuPuy said a previously discussed site in downtown Miami is “off the table,” adding the Orange Bowl site is the only one being considered at this time.

    So there you go. MLB is negotiating this deal for us and we know where it has to end.

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  • Momentum for Ballpark Project as Developers Look to Cash In

  • One of the side-effects of a potential Marlins ballpark at the Orange Bowl site is the rush of investment to redevelop the surrounding neighborhood. This has long been an argument for public financing of stadiums and has mixed and controversial results at best. For example, in Baltimore, many attribute the redevelopment of the Inner Harbor area to Camden Yards while in neighboring Washington, the redevelopment of the South Capitol area began long before and the new ballpark will merely be the crown jewel of the project.

    Therefore, it comes as no surprise that developers are now jumping on the Marlins bandwagon with hopes of joining that project. Developers Diversified Realty, which developed Wynwood’s “Midtown Miami”, are looking for a public-private partnership (read: city gives land for free and developer will do the rest) to revive the neighborhood.

    Now, I wouldn’t read too much into this as far as this specific company. The amount of eminent domain will likely draw ire of the community and possible state officials in Tallahassee. Additionally, I suspect that the Marlins will want a share of the development rights. Regardless, this helps push the ballpark project forward as now people are thinking about infrastructure and commercial investments beyond the footprint of the ballpark.

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  • “Let’s just say the stars are all aligned”

  • The Miami Herald puts out a teaser article about the Marlins ballpark situation leading off with the suggestion that D-Day is coming:

    The time may be nearing for the Florida Marlins to say whether they will accept the Orange Bowl site as their future home.

    After much speculation, it now appears as if key leaders in Miami are willing to allocate some of the former Orange Bowl renovation money to building a ballpark for your Florida Marlins. Of the $85 million, $50 million came from a county bond while $35 million came for tourist bed taxes and therefore belong to the the city of Miami. I don’t know if both the county and the city will allocate the money but you can imagine that just $35 million, which Miami can approve for the ballpark by a simple vote, would help close that pesky funding gap. In fact:

    … both Miami-Dade governments said recently they had no problem targeting it to help the financially struggling franchise build a ballpark.

    Now, we’ve discussed the team’s interest in downtown (vs. the Orange Bowl) but Miami officials are willing to tell us what the Marlins told them:

    Miami City Manager Pete Hernandez said team owner Jeffrey Loria indicated he was ”open-minded” about the Orange Bowl site. Miami-Dade County Commissioner Bruno Barreiro said Loria had told him the property was “acceptable.”

    Acceptable? Doesn’t sound enthusiastic but this is probably the Marlins best and last chance so I assume they will take it and smile (all the way to the bank).

    We’ll end with a very optimistic and hopefully real statement from co-chairman of the Miami-Dade Sports Commission Jose ”Pepe” Diaz

    “That money was specified for the Orange Bowl. . . . Let’s just say the stars are all aligned.”

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  • MLB Puts on a Show of Force to Push for Stadium

  • In the Best Interests of Baseball: The Revolutionary Reign of Bud SeligMajor League Baseball launched a big push to resolve the Florida Marlins ballpark situation by sending Commissioner Bud Selig and President Bob DuPuy to meet with Jeffery Loria and Miami’s political leaders.

    “We want to get a stadium deal down here as expeditiously as possible,” Bud Selig said on Tuesday in Miami.

    So Bud is on board. Great. But couldn’t he use some of MLB’s money to close the funding gap instead? I’m sure he flew first class but writing a check may have saved him the trip.

    First, Bud and co. met with Miami Mayor Manny Diaz and city manager Pete Hernandez. Then, they met with Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez, county manager George Burgess and county chairman Bruno Barreiro.

    While I’m sure the conversations focused on both the economics and the location of the ballpark, I won’t be surprised if location is the real issue right now.

    Any optimistic parting words from the Commish?

    “…the Mets are building a new ballpark. Washington is moving into a new ballpark. Philadelphia is in a new ballpark, and Atlanta has a new ballpark. If I didn’t feel that South Florida wasn’t a market you can compete in, with the right stadium, I wouldn’t be here today.”

    Update: The Palm Beach Post adds:

    Selig, though, said neither side discussed key details about building the Marlins a stadium, including where to put it and how to pay for it.

    “It was clear to me that all of us were on the same page,” Selig said. “They want to get a stadium deal done here as expeditiously as possible.”

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  • Building a Ballpark at the Orange Bowl is Complicated Too

  • We told you about the Miami Herald’s traffic expert chiming in on the ballpark. Now comes the view from the Sun-Sentinel’s “Business in Sports” expert Sarah Talalay.

    Sarah, take it away:

    Don’t assume, despite what the politicians say, that the $490 million financing deal debated earlier this year only to stall when the state Senate adjourned without considering a $60 million sales tax rebate, can just be moved to the OB site.

    But listen to what our leaders have to say:

    “I believe we had the financing in place, even six to eight months ago,” [Miami City Manager Pete] Hernandez said. “The only item missing was what we were looking for from the state. At this point, I don’t think it’s insurmountable. We have the funding in the place.”

    Added [Miami Mayor Manny] Diaz, “The meat of whatever agreement is there, the adjustment is the site. We’re really modifying the agreement. I’m hoping we can move with all deliberate speed to get a deal done as soon as possible.”

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    • Passengers
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      19 years ago
    • Here’s an idea… Build the Ballpark downtown as the Marlins wanted at the Government Center area (where less parking would need to be built because of lots and garages already there), and build the new children’s courthouse and any other government facilities that the County wanted to put downtown at the OB Site. They will probably have enough land left over at the OB Site to sell to commercial developers. This way, each site develops with projects that are appropriate for it. Downtown develops through ballpark and related services business (bars, restaurants, etc.) which can be easily accessed through public transport and infrastructure which can handle heavy traffic. The more residential OB site develops through government projects and new commercial development and doesn’t overwhelm existing infrastructure. But that may be too rational for Miami…

  • Traffic Expert Tells Us Why the Orange Bowl Site Sucks

  • The NW 7th Ave and 5th St Bridge Leading to the Orange Bowl (Closed until 2011)With Miami pushing for an Orange Bowl ballpark, the local papers have started penning critical articles about the idea.

    The Miami Herald takes this issue outside of the sports pages with a column written by its traffic/commuting/”streetwise” expert Larry Lebowitz.

    Purely from a transportation perspective, the Orange Bowl site is a lousy one.

    Thanks Larry. Everyone knows that. But please, tell us why:

    Without serious highway and mass-transit improvements, it would be bad for the Little Havana neighborhood near the OB, bad for the ball club, bad for fans. More

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  • Miami-Dade Pushing for the Orange Bowl Site

  • Proposed Marlins ballpark next to Orange BowlWe think that if we polled Fish fans (and we may just do that soon), the majority would admit that they prefer a downtown site but they would also say that they’ll take a stadium anywhere as long as it solves the teams financial problems and ensures they stay in South Florida. We should all remember that as we analyze the latest ballpark news.

    Miami-Dade county manager George Burgess contends that the downtown Miami site is just too expensive and he wants everyone to focus on the Orange Bowl site. Since Burgess has long been one of the biggest advocates for a Marlins stadium, it maybe time for reality to sink in and for all of us to just get over that downtown site.

    The good news is that $38 million of the Orange Bowl renovation funds can probably be directed towards an OB ballpark. That should easily close most of the gap. Now, construction costs always exceed expectations so the sides still need to work through the cost overrun details. Initially, the Marlins were going to take care of that. But if they have to take the OB site instead of downtown, it is likely that they will push back on this issue and demand more from the County. In fact, the Miami Herald openly suggests that the Marlins might drop their own contribution from the current $207 million. This sounds like something that came from inside the Marlins organization.

    In another interesting twist, Miami Mayor Manny Diaz spoke with Major League Soccer commissioner Don Garber about an expansion team playing in a duel-purpose baseball/soccer stadium. It is safe to say that the Marlins would not be happy with that scenario. Hopefully the city and County aren’t dumb enough to prioritize this adventure ahead of the Marlins (as they did with the UM situation).

    We have a suggestion. Miami-Dade should focus on a downtown ballpark for the Marlins. It makes the most sense for the game, the team, and MLB. Between MLB’s willingness to buy some of the land and the Marlins’ willingness to throw in more money for a good site, there must be a way to work this deal. As for the Orange Bowl, the county should wreck it and work with developers to build things that would benefit the local community (examples: supermarket, stores, library, park). This money could help offset some of the added costs of the Marlins downtown site while bringing the right kind of development to the community (instead of the ballpark which doesn’t really help). Oh, and if MLS wants in, then cut a deal similar to the one being discussed in DC where DC United wants to build a stadium on land not far from the new baseball stadium and is seeking commercial development rights around the new stadium to offset some costs.

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    • Paul Rosa
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      19 years ago
    • I suggest this neutral site for the proposed Marlins Stadium…this site would have access to the Florida Turnpike and SR 836. The land is now un-developed, and would have only a moderate inviormental and traffic impact. This tract lies adjacent to Dade-Collier Airport.

  • UM Leaving Orange Bowl

  • The Orange BowlToday may turn out to be on of the most important days in Florida Marlins history.

    Following their president’s recommendation, the University of Miami Board of Trustees is expected to approve moving the football team out of the Orange Bowl and into Dolphin Stadium. This should hopefully set off a series of events culminating with the Florida Marlins announcing a new ballpark.

    UM’s decision takes a $205 million package offered by the County off the table. Without that money, the stadium will be torn down. The County can now focus on saving its baseball team and overcoming two big issues: where to build the stadium and how to close a funding gap.

    There are ways to close this funding gap either through MLB, the Marlins, or even some of that money the County is no longer sending to UM. As for the site, it appears that several County leaders insist on using the Orange Bowl site, despite the Marlins’ and MLB’s push for a more logical downtown location. The question is how long the Marlins will hold onto that position since a ballpark in the Orange Bowl is better than no ballpark.

    Update: It’s official

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    • Sebastian
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      19 years ago
    • May the Marlins rot in hell. UM sacrificed home field advantage for a few $$$ and to please wine & cheese and corporate folks. DS will never give the Canes a homefield advantage. In any event, if fans didn’t want to trek to Little Havana six times a year for football, why would any more than the paltry few thousand that currently go to DS show up? The OB is being torn down for nothing…everyone will regret it. But go ahead and cheer fishboy.